半月刊特别企划 - 俄罗斯分部访谈
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la kanro
采访及翻译
Doctor HHZ
整理及翻译
TomJens
整理及翻译
la kanro
很高兴见到你，Osobist。您能向我们的读者做一个自我介绍吗？
Nice to meet you, Osobist. Would you like to provide a self-introduction for our readers?
Nice to meet you, Osobist. Would you like to provide a self-introduction for our readers?
Osobist
当然可以。我的真名叫Dmitry，但是SCP社群中大部分人称我为Osobist。我在2011年加入社区，同年成为版主，并于2012年2月成为管理。我的主要职责是审批新成员的申请书，代表SCP-RU社群在社交媒体上发言以及维护wiki和群聊中的秩序。
Sure. My real name is Dmitry but most of SCP-community knows me as Osobist. I've joined community in 2011, became a moderator the same year and became an admin in February 2012. My main duties on site are reviewing apps from new members, speaking from behalf of the SCP-RU community in social media and maintaining general order on wiki and chats.
Sure. My real name is Dmitry but most of SCP-community knows me as Osobist. I've joined community in 2011, became a moderator the same year and became an admin in February 2012. My main duties on site are reviewing apps from new members, speaking from behalf of the SCP-RU community in social media and maintaining general order on wiki and chats.
la kanro
作为一位SCP-RU的老成员，您能为我们讲讲您是怎么了解到SCP和其俄语分部的吗？
As an old SCP-RU user, could you tell us how you learned about SCP and its Russian Branch?
As an old SCP-RU user, could you tell us how you learned about SCP and its Russian Branch?
Osobist
我一个朋友告诉我的。她是从本土的梗百科上了解到的。那时候我们准备写本“带有creepypasta元素的书”（别问这是啥）然后正在寻找素材。
我读了几篇翻译，加入网站并且开始自己翻译文章，直至今日。
A friend of mine told me. She learned about from local meme encyclopedia. That time we're trying to write a some sort of "creepypasta book" (don't ask) and were searching for some fuel.
I've read couple of translations, joined, started to translate articles myself and here we are.
我读了几篇翻译，加入网站并且开始自己翻译文章，直至今日。
A friend of mine told me. She learned about from local meme encyclopedia. That time we're trying to write a some sort of "creepypasta book" (don't ask) and were searching for some fuel.
I've read couple of translations, joined, started to translate articles myself and here we are.
la kanro
提到翻译，我注意到RU的标签体系与EN并不对应。为什么要这样设计？
Speaking of translations, I noticed that RU's tag system is not parallel to EN's. Why was it designed like that?
Speaking of translations, I noticed that RU's tag system is not parallel to EN's. Why was it designed like that?
Osobist
我们进行了好几次标签改版，第一次是在2012年。我们从未想过复制EN的标签体系，而是以创建简单而有效的标签系统，让我们的读者能快速找到各种文章为基本目标。我可以告诉你现在的不是最终版，我们可能会再次修改，或者不会，这是个仍在开发中的功能。
We had multiple tag reforms back time, first in 2012. We have never pursued the goal to copy EN's tag system, the basic goal is to create simple but effective tag system that allows our readers to find various stuff fast. I can say that current result is not final and we may to review it again. Or not, this is still developing feature.
We had multiple tag reforms back time, first in 2012. We have never pursued the goal to copy EN's tag system, the basic goal is to create simple but effective tag system that allows our readers to find various stuff fast. I can say that current result is not final and we may to review it again. Or not, this is still developing feature.
la kanro
那么你们分部该怎么把标签添加到翻译上？这项工作是译者自己完成还是由工作人员完成的呢？
How do your branch apply tags to the translations? Is this job done by translators themselves or by staff members?
How do your branch apply tags to the translations? Is this job done by translators themselves or by staff members?
Osobist
译者进行初步添加，有时工作人员会检查或提供帮助。
Translators do basic application, sometimes staff can review it or help with it.
Translators do basic application, sometimes staff can review it or help with it.
la kanro
关于俄分被恶意注册商标事件的最后一次情况跟进是在2021年发布的。在这之后你们有什么新的进展吗？
The last update on SCP Legal Funds was posted in 2021. Have you made any progress on the legal case after that?
The last update on SCP Legal Funds was posted in 2021. Have you made any progress on the legal case after that?
Osobist
关于官司进展的话。
首先：2022年7月4号，俄罗斯联邦知识产权局撤销了第661748号商标"SCP基金会”。
随附商标和服务商标注册摘要。
官方给出的取消原因是Andrey Duksin本人〝自愿申请取消”。然而，他提出这一申请是因为俄罗斯知识产权法院已经就第SIP-143/2021号案件作出了裁决，其中声明Andrey Duksin或任何其他人（至少在俄罗斯）都无权以我们社区的名义取得商业专有权。此外，它还要求俄罗斯联邦反垄断局恢复对Andrey Duksin的不正当竞争案件。
同样，联邦反垄断局2022年10月25日在其对第078/01/14.4-117/2020号案件的裁决中表示，Andrey Duksin获取该商标专有权的行为是不正当竞争行为。
目前，我们正在等待反垄断局下达Andrey Duksin行为应有的审判结果（在俄罗斯反垄断立法中，对违法事实的事实陈述和对所述违法行为的起诉在诉讼的不同阶段进行）。
Regarding legal progress.
First things first: on July 4, 2022, trademark No. 661748 "The SCP Foundation" was officially canceled by the Russian Federal Service for Intellectual Property.
Attached find an extract from the Register of Trademarks and Service Marks.
The official reason for the cancellation was the "voluntary application" by Andrey Duksin himself. However, he filed this application because the Russian Intellectual Property Court has made a decision in case no. SIP-143/2021, in which it stated that neither Andrey Duksin nor anyone else (at least in Russia) has the right to take commercial exclusive rights on the name of our community. Also, it compelled the Russian Federal Antimonopoly Service to resume the case of unfair competition against Andrey Duksin.
In turn, the Federal Antimonopoly Service, in its decision of October 25, 2022 in case No. 078/01/14.4-117/2020, has stated that Andrey Duksin's actions to take exclusive rights to this trademark is an act of unfair competition.
At the moment we are awaiting the results of the trial in the antimonopoly department on bringing Andrey Duksin to responsibility for his actions (in Russian antimonopoly legislation, the fact of violation and prosecution of said violation are carried out at different stages of the proceedings).
首先：2022年7月4号，俄罗斯联邦知识产权局撤销了第661748号商标"SCP基金会”。
随附商标和服务商标注册摘要。
官方给出的取消原因是Andrey Duksin本人〝自愿申请取消”。然而，他提出这一申请是因为俄罗斯知识产权法院已经就第SIP-143/2021号案件作出了裁决，其中声明Andrey Duksin或任何其他人（至少在俄罗斯）都无权以我们社区的名义取得商业专有权。此外，它还要求俄罗斯联邦反垄断局恢复对Andrey Duksin的不正当竞争案件。
同样，联邦反垄断局2022年10月25日在其对第078/01/14.4-117/2020号案件的裁决中表示，Andrey Duksin获取该商标专有权的行为是不正当竞争行为。
目前，我们正在等待反垄断局下达Andrey Duksin行为应有的审判结果（在俄罗斯反垄断立法中，对违法事实的事实陈述和对所述违法行为的起诉在诉讼的不同阶段进行）。
Regarding legal progress.
First things first: on July 4, 2022, trademark No. 661748 "The SCP Foundation" was officially canceled by the Russian Federal Service for Intellectual Property.
Attached find an extract from the Register of Trademarks and Service Marks.
The official reason for the cancellation was the "voluntary application" by Andrey Duksin himself. However, he filed this application because the Russian Intellectual Property Court has made a decision in case no. SIP-143/2021, in which it stated that neither Andrey Duksin nor anyone else (at least in Russia) has the right to take commercial exclusive rights on the name of our community. Also, it compelled the Russian Federal Antimonopoly Service to resume the case of unfair competition against Andrey Duksin.
In turn, the Federal Antimonopoly Service, in its decision of October 25, 2022 in case No. 078/01/14.4-117/2020, has stated that Andrey Duksin's actions to take exclusive rights to this trademark is an act of unfair competition.
At the moment we are awaiting the results of the trial in the antimonopoly department on bringing Andrey Duksin to responsibility for his actions (in Russian antimonopoly legislation, the fact of violation and prosecution of said violation are carried out at different stages of the proceedings).
la kanro
Scpper是一个由RU成员开发，对所有贡献者来说都非常强力的工具。你们分部如何支持这一工具的开发和维护？
Scpper, developed by an RU member, is a powerful tool for every contributor. How does your branch support the development and maintenance of this tool?
Scpper, developed by an RU member, is a powerful tool for every contributor. How does your branch support the development and maintenance of this tool?
Osobist
老实说，我们一点也没参与。FiftyNine独自完成了极多的工作，它确实是非常强大的工具，但是我们唯一一次的使用案例是将一群恶意差评者一网打尽。
Honestly, we're not involved in this in any way. That's really powerful tool and FiftyNine doing amazing work, but there were only one case when we had to use SCPper to catch a net of malicious downvoters.
Honestly, we're not involved in this in any way. That's really powerful tool and FiftyNine doing amazing work, but there were only one case when we had to use SCPper to catch a net of malicious downvoters.
la kanro
恶意差评确实是一个所有分部都头疼的问题，您能详细描述这一案例吗？
Malicious downvoting is indeed an issue that every branch has to worry about. Could you describe the case in details?
Malicious downvoting is indeed an issue that every branch has to worry about. Could you describe the case in details?
Osobist
可以，我们的一个成员建了25个号恶意up或down。里面起码有40%的账号为假账号，剩下的是从其他用户那里搞到密码后盗的号。他通过种种方法欺骗那些用户，像“借我个号，我得去down一篇文！”
Okay, one member managed to bring around 25 accounts to make massive upvotes and downvotes. At least 40% were initially fake accounts but also he managed to retrieve passwords from real users, deceiving them by various means, like "gimme ur passwod, hav to downvot smthg!"
Okay, one member managed to bring around 25 accounts to make massive upvotes and downvotes. At least 40% were initially fake accounts but also he managed to retrieve passwords from real users, deceiving them by various means, like "gimme ur passwod, hav to downvot smthg!"
la kanro
这可真是令人不齿。既然现在你们分部已经迁移到另一个网站，你们是如何在迁移的过程中筛出冒名顶替者的？
That is really despicable. Since your branch has migrated to a new website, how do you prevent imposters during the migration?
That is really despicable. Since your branch has migrated to a new website, how do you prevent imposters during the migration?
Osobist
毕竟目前只有一个案例，现在我们正尝试只允许在社交媒体上有至少一个账号的人进入，更不用说电子邮件了。如果这个人的真实性有待考证，我们会拒绝他的申请书。然后我不得不说，掌管一个有10个账号的网络是一项吃力的工作，之前这么做的人几乎没有自己的生活。所以，我不担心这种情况会以同样大的规模再次出现。
There were only one case, after all. Right now we're trying to let in people with at least one contact in social media, not to mention e-mail. If there is any doubts that person is real, we're declining the application. i also have to say that managing a net with even 10 accounts by hands is kinda hard work and person who did this in past totally have no life. So I'm not afraid that this will happen again in a same scale.
There were only one case, after all. Right now we're trying to let in people with at least one contact in social media, not to mention e-mail. If there is any doubts that person is real, we're declining the application. i also have to say that managing a net with even 10 accounts by hands is kinda hard work and person who did this in past totally have no life. So I'm not afraid that this will happen again in a same scale.
la kanro
说到新网站，你们目前还有什么技术问题需要解决吗？
Speaking of the new site, are there any technical issues that remain to be solved?
Speaking of the new site, are there any technical issues that remain to be solved?
Osobist
是的，当然有。我不能说太多，因为这不在我的职务范围内，虽然新网站已经运作，但是远没有达到最初的设计。我们的目标是在添加新的技术细节前修好所有bug。
Yeah, there is. I cannot tell much, since it's not my area of responsibility but new site, while already operational is still far from initial design. We're aim to carefully clean it up from any possible bugs before adding new technical stuff.
Yeah, there is. I cannot tell much, since it's not my area of responsibility but new site, while already operational is still far from initial design. We're aim to carefully clean it up from any possible bugs before adding new technical stuff.
la kanro
顺便一提，我注意到新网站用的是五分制评分系统而非传统的up/down系统。这一变化背后的考量是什么？
By the way, I noticed that the new site uses the five-point scale instead of the traditional rating system. What is the consideration behind this change?
By the way, I noticed that the new site uses the five-point scale instead of the traditional rating system. What is the consideration behind this change?
Osobist
这给了我们的评分者更灵活的工具来表达他们的观点。以前你只能说“我喜欢，但是……”或“我不喜欢，但是……”，你唯一能做的就是novote。现在你可以在你的评分中指定一个确切的数字，并说明你为什么要扣除或增加一两分。
This gives our voters more flexible tool to show their opinion. Before you had to say "I like it but…" or "I dislike it but" and the only thing you can do to reflect it rate module is only no vote at all. Now you can specify exact number in your vote and say why you removing or adding a point or two.
This gives our voters more flexible tool to show their opinion. Before you had to say "I like it but…" or "I dislike it but" and the only thing you can do to reflect it rate module is only no vote at all. Now you can specify exact number in your vote and say why you removing or adding a point or two.
la kanro
让我们回到创作。俄分中最受欢迎的原创GOI和设定中心是什么？
Well let's go back to creation. What are the most popular original GoIs and Canon Hubs in the RU branch?
Well let's go back to creation. What are the most popular original GoIs and Canon Hubs in the RU branch?
Osobist
我觉得是天主的腐烂山脉，其次是缝合杂技团。中心的话是Hopetown中心，我不确定它有没有被翻译，SCP-RU上链接为https://scpfoundation.net/h
Grotto of Gangrenous God, I believe, Meat Circus is next. About the hubs is Hopetown hub, I'm not sure that it was translated, link on SCP-RU: https://scpfoundation.net/h
Grotto of Gangrenous God, I believe, Meat Circus is next. About the hubs is Hopetown hub, I'm not sure that it was translated, link on SCP-RU: https://scpfoundation.net/h
la kanro
您能简单介绍一下Hopetown中心吗？
Could you provide a brief description of Hopetown hub?
Could you provide a brief description of Hopetown hub?
Osobist
那是一个异常区域丛生，基金会必须保护最后的无异常区，以及居住在此的剩余人类的世界观。
That's a hub about the world where is so much anomalous zones that SCP Foundation have to protect last non-anomalous zones and rest of humanity living there.
That's a hub about the world where is so much anomalous zones that SCP Foundation have to protect last non-anomalous zones and rest of humanity living there.
la kanro
这听起来挺挤的。顺便一提，“进步”研究中心在CN分部取得了一些关注。在阅读其中心页时，我想起了苏联时期的科幻。您如何看待这个Gol背后的美学和文学理念？
That sounds quite crowded. By the way, the "Progress" Institute has gained some attention in the CN branch. When reading its hub page, I'm also reminded of science fiction during the Soviet Union. What do you think of the aesthetic and literary ideas behind this GoI?
That sounds quite crowded. By the way, the "Progress" Institute has gained some attention in the CN branch. When reading its hub page, I'm also reminded of science fiction during the Soviet Union. What do you think of the aesthetic and literary ideas behind this GoI?
Osobist
额，关于“进步”研究中心，我没怎么读过它，但总而言之，我喜欢苏联美学。我指的是其中专注于科学进步和宏伟的未来图景的那部分。
我很高兴我们的Gol得到了其它分部的关注。如果那里有人写作相关文章，我会很高兴。
So, about the "Progress". I haven't read much about it, but I like Soviet aesthetic in general. I mean part of it that focused on scientific progress and great future.
I also like that our GoIs got attention of other branches. I'll be glad to see articles about them written there.
我很高兴我们的Gol得到了其它分部的关注。如果那里有人写作相关文章，我会很高兴。
So, about the "Progress". I haven't read much about it, but I like Soviet aesthetic in general. I mean part of it that focused on scientific progress and great future.
I also like that our GoIs got attention of other branches. I'll be glad to see articles about them written there.
la kanro
说到SCP文章，很多人注意到SCP-RU系列从1001开始而不是002。这是出于什么考虑？你们在未来会重启002-999序列吗？
Speaking of SCP articles, many have noticed that SCP-RU starts from 1001 instead of 002. What was the consideration behind that? Will you use the 002-099 range in the future?
Speaking of SCP articles, many have noticed that SCP-RU starts from 1001 instead of 002. What was the consideration behind that? Will you use the 002-099 range in the future?
Osobist
起初我们选择这个数字是为了避免和SCP-EN冲突，当时只有SCP系列I存在。同时我们添加了-RU后缀来强调这是我们的原创文章。由于SCP-EN很快开放了SCP系列II，这是一个很明智的决定。不，现在没有开放002-999序列的计划。
At first we've picked that numeration to avoid crossing numbers with SCP-EN, that time only SCP Series I existed. And at the same time we added -RU part to underscore that this are our original articles. Since SCP-EN opened SCP Series II very soon its turned out to be a very smart move. No, there is no such plan to fill 002-999 range.
At first we've picked that numeration to avoid crossing numbers with SCP-EN, that time only SCP Series I existed. And at the same time we added -RU part to underscore that this are our original articles. Since SCP-EN opened SCP Series II very soon its turned out to be a very smart move. No, there is no such plan to fill 002-999 range.
la kanro
让我们谈谈1150-J。有些人在阅读的时候没有立即get到它的笑点。既然你给它投了up，请问您如何看待它背后的幽默感？
Let's talk about 1150-J. Some did not immediately get the joke when reading it. What do you think of the humour behind it since you gave it an upvote?
Let's talk about 1150-J. Some did not immediately get the joke when reading it. What do you think of the humour behind it since you gave it an upvote?
Osobist
笑点在于，这篇文章描述了SCP基金会——但是财政匮乏，腐败，低效。与我们熟悉的基金会——强大且富有，足以在月球上建立基地——相比截然不同，让我笑得很厉害。
The joke behind is that article describes SCP Foundation but unfunded properly, decaying, ineffective. In comparison with an Foundation that we used to - powerful and wealthy enough to build bases on Moon - this made me laugh hard.
The joke behind is that article describes SCP Foundation but unfunded properly, decaying, ineffective. In comparison with an Foundation that we used to - powerful and wealthy enough to build bases on Moon - this made me laugh hard.
la kanro
顺便说一句，CN上的RU翻译并不多。您想向我们的译者推荐些未翻译的故事吗？
By the way, there are not so many RU translations on CN. Would you like to recommend some untranslated stories to our translators?
By the way, there are not so many RU translations on CN. Would you like to recommend some untranslated stories to our translators?
la kanro
谢谢你的推荐。我看到CN-1109被翻译成俄语时，感到非常高兴。还有其它在RU很出名的CN故事吗？
Thank you for your recommendations. I was quite delighted when i saw CN-1109 was translated into Russian. Are there other CN stories that are popular in RU?
Thank you for your recommendations. I was quite delighted when i saw CN-1109 was translated into Russian. Are there other CN stories that are popular in RU?
Osobist
SCP-CN-2469，又称SCP-6470，即使在启用新站点重新评分后仍然有着绝对意义上的高分。
SCP-CN-2469, also known as SCP-6470 has better rate for sure, even after votes wipe.
SCP-CN-2469, also known as SCP-6470 has better rate for sure, even after votes wipe.
la kanro
让我们把目光转向维基之外的社群。既然您在这些地方维持秩序，您是如何在社交媒体上与SCP爱好者沟通的呢？
Let's focus on the community outside the wiki. Since you maintain order on these areas, how do you communicate with SCP fans on social media?
Let's focus on the community outside the wiki. Since you maintain order on these areas, how do you communicate with SCP fans on social media?
Osobist
我经常查看俄语媒体上热门的爱好者社群，并定期在那里评论帖子，同时，我开放个人通讯，包括我的电话，所以好奇的人可以直接问我任何相关问题。
I constantly check popular fangroups in Russian media and periodically comment posts there, also I keep open my own contacts including my phone number, so curious people can ask me directly any related question.
I constantly check popular fangroups in Russian media and periodically comment posts there, also I keep open my own contacts including my phone number, so curious people can ask me directly any related question.
la kanro
维基之前有没有举办过大型活动与这些爱好者进行互动？
Have the wiki ever conducted large events to interact with these fans before?
Have the wiki ever conducted large events to interact with these fans before?
Osobist
维基从不单独举办这类活动，但参加了2019年和2021年在莫斯科由爱好者举办的两次SCP节，我们以信息合作伙伴和嘉宾的身份参与。也有许多大规模的活动，第一次SCP节有大约500人聚集。
至少可以说，我们很惊讶。
Wiki never conducted such events by itself but participated in two SCP-fests, conducted in Moscow in 2019 and 2021 by enthusiasts, we were involved as information partners and guests. There were large scale events, first SCP-fest gathered around 500 people.
We were surprised to say the least.
至少可以说，我们很惊讶。
Wiki never conducted such events by itself but participated in two SCP-fests, conducted in Moscow in 2019 and 2021 by enthusiasts, we were involved as information partners and guests. There were large scale events, first SCP-fest gathered around 500 people.
We were surprised to say the least.
la kanro
哇，这真是令人印象深刻，在访谈的末尾，您能谈谈维基2023年的计划吗？
Wow that's impressive. At the end of the interview, would you like to talk about the wiki's plan for 2023?
Wow that's impressive. At the end of the interview, would you like to talk about the wiki's plan for 2023?
Osobist
除了完善新站点以外，实际上没有太多计划。这是我们目前的首要任务。
There is not much plans actually except for bring new site to it's complete state. That's our first priority right now.
There is not much plans actually except for bring new site to it's complete state. That's our first priority right now.
la kanro
感谢您参与本次采访。我希望你们的新网站能成为其它分部在未来从wikidot迁移的典范。
Thank you for your participation in this interview. I hope your new site would be a model for other branches' future migration from Wikidot.
Thank you for your participation in this interview. I hope your new site would be a model for other branches' future migration from Wikidot.